I often react to pieces I find online, which are not authoritative or evidence-based, but I am an amateur thinker myself, so I go with what intrigues me, what seem relevant or worthy of comment. My brother-in-law has a distant Norwegian relative whom I shall not name, but this man is a conservative, perhaps evangelical Christian, and he posted a page of information online which I am going to copy and comment on.
N for Norwegian after this: “Trul asks AI: If you were the devil and had to make the western world and Norway follow your evil plans, how would you proceed to achieve it?
Chat GPT 40 answers:
If the goal was to get the western world, including Norway, to move away from healthy values and beliefs, a diabolical strategy could hypothetically entail the gradual undertaking of core principles such as faith, family, responsibility, and trust in truth. Here is the hypothetical plan divided into several strategic steps that could be thought to weaken these foundations:”
My response: this hypothetical strategy seems like a worked-out postmodernist/Marxist plot to undermine the West, by quietly, stealthily, over the last few decades, discrediting and belittling the Modernist culture, until the masses lose faith in their wonderful traditions, and abandon these mores, leaving them vulnerable for the Leftists to successfully introduce their postmodernist system. It has been cleverly implemented, and this capturing of Western institutions by cultural Marxists is well underway, and their victory is near at hand. Stephen Hicks and Christopher Rufo have written a book apiece, describing how cultural Marxism has captured Western institutions.
N: “1 – Erosion of Cultural Identity.
By promoting extreme individualistic ideas and continuous criticism of historical heritage and values, distancing people from cultural heritage and beliefs, and replacing them with a fluid global identity without strong communities.”
My response: Many Christians in Norway and in America regard individualism and egoism as anti-God and from the Devil, but I deny that, insisting that egoism is pro-God and pro-goodness. The Devil is groupist and negatively altruistic, either chauvinistic about tradition, or revolutionary and nihilistic about overturning the culture, and such radical activists are joiners, fanatics, and true-believers, not individualistic, but these extreme groupists to seek to destroy tradition.
Note that these Norwegian Brexit-type thinkers’ distrust global elites, distancing the peoples of the West from their cultural values and beliefs, and weakening warm, local communities. I subscribe to their disdain against global, Progressive elitists.
N: “2 – Breaking down the Family unit.
The family is the foundation of a strong community. By promoting a narrative in which the family is seen as old-fashioned and limiting, and promoting the idea that the individual’s freedom and feelings are superior to the community, one can undermine the importance of the family. It could promote freedom without responsibility, creating confusion about relationships, and provide support for solutions that put the individual before the family, by promising dating practices and stimulating happily single and childless.”
My response: Yes, the family is the foundation of a strong community. If the family is seen as old-fashioned and limited, perhaps it is, but perhaps we could use a little self-control. Even an egoist--like I am--must admit, that children need to come out of a strong, married family nuclear unit with a married, heterosexual mom and dad. I would want those parents to individuate, even if mom is a housewife or is a poet.
Channel Jordan Peterson, the cultural Christian, who downplays promoting freedom and rights without responsibility—and the Norwegian writer and Jordan are correct here. Both this Norwegian Christian and Peterson reveal how cultural Marxism is intentionally sabotaging Western culture, but their identifying an overemphasis on individualism and egoism as the culprits when in fact collectivism, groupism, socialism and altruism are the culprits.
Once one correctly identifies who the real culprits are, then one isolates what are they premises and goals, and to counter those goals by promoting opposite goals is approximately how we replace evil with good. The Norwegian, unknown author of this social media piece, and Peterson, want to counter modern, radicalized, totalitarian, absolute collectivism by returning to traditional Western and religious altruism as the solution. Now, that may work in part for a while, but collectivism and ideology in 25 years could overturn that again. We need permanent solutions so capitalism, constitutional republicanism, individuating supercitizens and individuators are structurally embedded in the Western masses to counter-attack the malicious cultural Marxists attacking the west today.
Too many children, especially boys, turn to gangs and peers because there is no father in the home. And without modeled, strong gender roles from the parents, there is gender identity confusion. I would put the individual before the family but suggest still that each individual preserve and serve his family too, at least in part, as all members of the united family ideally would be individualists and individuators.
How to destroy America and the West: Cultural nihilists aborting millions of babies, low nativist birth rates, high amounts of young people wanting no children, and 50% of marriages ending in divorce, teaching women not to have children; making boys effeminate and not manly and heroic, no longer taught to be responsible warriors protecting women and children.
N: “3 – Relativism and the undermining of Truth
If you can make people believe that everything is subjective, and that there are no absolutes, society will be easier to manipulate. This can entail a steady stream of false information, confusion about gender roles and biological facts, and the idea that everything is ‘fluid’ and can be defined by the individual themselves, without greater truths.”
My response. Modernist view-holders, be they conservative secular humanists, Objectivists, or Christian and Jewish traditionalists, are realists about values. They believe and assert (the moderate, epistemic in me does not side with them wholly but mostly) that everything is not subjective and that there is absolute, eternal (natural law or monotheist religious axioms) values, independent of socially constructed views held by humans.
They refute and defy current postmodernist, anti-realistic Marxist cultural values and assertions. What is alluring and deceptive about the cultural Marxists is their overt epistemic skepticism and relativism concerning the existence of absolute truths that bind human behavior and destiny; they tear down traditional Modernist and Western values, but secretly seek to replace these values with ideological content, and their holy cause, cultural Marxism, is an absolutist creed which these true believers are willing to enforce everywhere through violence, revolution, lying propaganda, terrorism; these zealous, totalistic absolutes work tirelessly and enthusiastically to make permanent the installment of their political and cultural revolution, to be propped up and protected through totalitarian government enforcement.
The law of moderation dictates that those, who reject realist values in favor of subjective and relativist values, do deprive and deny the masses of anything meaningful to believe in or hold onto, and that so frustrates the masses that they are willing to join the mass movement and advance the revolution upon the people.
As an indviduator and moderate I want a return of traditional values in the West that are not declared wholly objective and absolute, but mostly objective and absolute, but even if we traditionalists believe these values are objective and absolute, we do not use government coercion and pogroms to force people to our beliefs: only voluntary acceptance and compliance from all of the masses, of their own free will, is proper and permissible. Of course, all of us still must obey reasonable, encoded civil law and order legal rules.
Note that the articles shows that individualists are the relativists. But most individualists are not relativists, but are more absolutist prone, more inclined to think and act like Objectivists, Modernists, Realists and Monotheists (the religious neoconservatives).
It is groupists that are diabolic: much less so whether they are civilized traditional group belongers, or much more so as pure, sickened groupists, who are complete modernized, wholly fanatical, radicalized and ideologized as true believers in cultural Marxist mass movement, without traditional Western values and institutional structures like family to slow them down, and keep them normal and calm.
N: “4 – Abolition of Religious Beliefs and Moral Values
Religion has long been an anchor of moral compass. Encouraging secularization, and portraying religion as outdated, ‘oppressive,’ or an obstacle to personal liberty, can create a distance between people and faith. This will lead to a society without a common understanding of right and wrong, and which is therefore more effective for rapidly changing ideological trends.”
My response: I mostly agree with what is said up above; again, pushing secular religion/ideology (cultural Marxism) is not the absence of religious faith and objective values; it is introducing to the masses, instead a radicalized secular faith, steeped in extremely relativistic values on one hand while secret promoting absolutist, totalitarian political values on the other hand.
It is rather the cases that the cultural Leftists substitute a secular holy cause to replace traditional religious faith. This holy cause is Leftism, and its true believing adherents are most willing to die for to spread it across the globe with 100% compliance and acceptance for all people everywhere to follow or be killed, tortured, or imprisoned. These fanatics regard traditional religion and objective values as objectionable because they tolerated a modest personal liberty, which their replacement secular faith, the ideological mass movement, cultural Marxism, seeks to wipe out even that modest personal liberty allowed under traditional Western religion and modernist, scientific secular democratic culture.
They will allow no individualism and no private life or thinking for anyone ever, and such apolitical structure, culture and value system are really at the end and at the bottom a satanic religion wholly groupist, wholly altruist-collectivist morality, and it will be the end of humanity as we know it.
N: “5 – Distraction through Materialism and Entertainment
Make people focus on material gain and consumption, and on continuous entertainment and stimulus, so that they don’t have time or energy to reflect on bigger issues. Reinforce and promote the trend towards a culture based on consumption, short-term enjoyment, and entertainment, instead of one that is based on in-depth understanding and meaning.”
My response: I agree and disagree with the author in what he/she writes in this short paragraph. Jordan Peterson would likely agree (though he is an unapologetic, successful capitalist worth at least 10 million dollars), that material gain and consumption will not give people meaning or happiness (I disagree in part because the individuator needs wealth, property and money as a solid basis upon which to maverize for a life time, and this is my average ideal individuating supercitizen of the future: she activistically would seek happiness and to limit suffering (suffering and loss and pain are unavoidable) to a minimum and never consciously to be malevolent towards the self, others, God or the world to extend the reach of needless suffering in the world).
Each indviduator should enjoy some wealth, some pleasure some happiness for their own sake, but duty, self-sacrificing to improve self via maverizing (self-sacrificing the self in the name of and for the intent purpose to perfect the self through constant self-improvement) not chasing mindless hedonism. Each individuator requires enjoying some pleasure but mostly delayed gratification is her preoccupation. Chasing intellectual, spiritual, ethical, and artistic in-depth understanding and meaning is what an individuator necessarily does intentionally goes for, and happiness is as a byproduct of serving God by individuating.
Jordan, a couple of days ago (around 11/10/24) wrote for X, I believe, that life is suffering, that the way to live well and be ethical (this middle piece is my paraphrasing) is not to chase after happiness, but to find meaning through reacting nobly and ethically to one’s inevitable suffering (again my rough paraphrase of what Jordan wrote). Jordan would agree with these Christian apologists in their criticism of the shallowness and emptiness of much of western modern materialistic mass culture and they have a point.
N: “6 – Polarization and Division of Community Groups
The more divided people are, the more difficult it is for them to assemble around common values. Fostering disagreement and conflict between different groups of society can lead to alienation, distrust, and create an atmosphere where cooperation and unity become impossible. This can happen through identity politics and the focus on differences rather than community.”
My response: The cultural Marxists intellectuals and leaders are cunning: they promote division and conflict, via identity politics, for three reasons. First, they are evil and nihilistic, and they love violence, war, revolution, discord, violence, lawlessness, destruction of civil society, for their own sake. Chaos, pain, and destruction are means to securing their ultimate goal, giving Satan and Lera, complete dominion over all people on earth. True believers serving their mass movement, their holy cause (be it nationalistic, religious, or political), seek to take over the world, and they seek to inflict demonic hegemony over the entire earth, though they may not consciously realize whom they work for and celebrate, the Dark Couple.
Second, if cultural Marxists sow division and civil war, and the democratic, capitalist, free and wealthy civil society collapses, they can bring in revolution and totalitarianism, their aim all the time. Identity politics would allow them to meet these aims.
Third, by pushing identity politics, the false dichotomy of favoring “good,” oppressed groups versus “bad; colonizing groups, then they can push the power of powerlessness and the wicked morality (altruism-collectivism, in its purest revealed form) allows that each individual has no identity, no purpose, no reason to live except as a member and follow of whatever groups he belongs to as he utterly is to sacrifice his personal interests to serve the collective interests.
Ironically, a society of individuating supercitizens, though hyper-individualistic, will give us unity around common values and a sense of community. Cooperation and community are best achieved and permanently achieved via millions of individuating supercitizens running the community, the society, the government, as maverizers pursuing the public good by first and mostly concentrating on their personal needs and ambitions. The average supercitizen will be motivated by egoist-individualist morality as her primary moral motive system, with a minor emphasis on altruism-collectivism as her moral motive.
N: “7 – Weakening of the Education System
Education can be used to shape mindsets. A weakening of critical thinking and an overfocus on specific ideological perspectives can shape future generations to become more conformant and less critical of structures and authorities that may have destructive intentions. By gradually undermining these pillars, a diabolical strategy would seek to create a society without strong anchors, making it more open to manipulation and control.”
My response: The German intellectuals, the greatest in the world for many years in the 19th century, long advocated that the school system be used to warp young people to be convinced that their only function was to serve the state. The Communists do the same trick, and postmodern Marxists and the Left captured American and Western schools, universities, the governments and even large businesses, and mindsets were so shaped to render all in these institutions to be woke, social justice warriors and activists.
Constant Progressive gaslighting and deconstructing of all Christian, Jewish, Modernist culture and values was to deprive the young and adults of their individualism, their critical thinking their very independence, divorcing them from traditional culture and values, so as deracinated, anomic, frustrated, panicked members of the masses without anchor, they could be molded into a mass movement to bring about a Communist revolution.
Dennis Prager wants parents not to send kids to college and to pull them out of public schools to save them from being broken and brainwashed into little social justice activists.
I would go farther: we need to understand that people are born depraved, born with no self-esteem, born to excessively group-identify. People are born to favor group-living and their hatred and evil grows from social misery, heightened by their bad altruist morality under which they learn to hate themselves even further, so they seek to escape an untenable self by fleeing into the group to self-obliterate and discover cover meaning and self-justification in an inferior, dissatisfying way of living, a way of living that the joiners tell each is normal, moral and ideal.
The bigger, the more centralized any institution is, the more its people are broken, selfless, evil, stupid, and conformist.
The best long-term solution is for parents to take control of their own lives and their children’s lives by becoming and fostering the young to be individuating supercitizens; this limits self-hating or low self-esteem. Hating grows evil in the world for it is evil incarnate and in action.
To teach oneself and one’s youngsters critical thinking is key to surviving as individuators and as a species.
We need to wipe out the federal Department of Education, and all education through 12th grade should be locally operated and planned. All teachers and other educational bureaucrats should promote and teach morals and subject content only. Let the kids be encouraged to think for themselves and to manage their own educational growth as their personal power to decide, on their own over time as guiding parents slowly cede control over their children, if they see each child can handle making decisions about self-realizing as a mode of personal liberation and self-management of their own lives, as each child increasing runs their own educational plan.
It is hope with Donald Trump as our 47th President, we can curb this cultural revolution nearing completion, ready to come out into the open.
N: “Chatting done. Seems credible and effective.”
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